5 Million Kroner in 5 Years

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For todays episode, we discuss how we came to the conclusion of a goal of 5 million kroner in 5 years using these calculators. To be honest, it’s not our final goal. However, it is a goal we can see ourselves reaching that will still make a significant difference for our current living situation.

The first step in creating your goal is to be aware of your budget. There are many tools out there to help get an overview of your living expenses and making a budget. We personally use Spiir, but budgetting tools is a topic for another day.


We took a look at our expenses for the last 12 months and created a Sankey diagram as seen below.

Your Diagram TitleIncome → Savings: 32,410Expense → Housing: 13,600Expense → Food: 7,100Expense → Personal Items: 6,320Food → Groceries: 3,100Expense → Fun: 3,070Food → Fastfood: 2,200Fun → Vacation: 2,050Food → Restaurants and Bars: 1,800Expense → Transportation: 1,500Personal Items → Clothing etc: 1,400Personal Items → Furniture: 1,000Personal Items → Subscriptions: 900Personal Items → Personal Care: 900Personal Items → Gifts: 850Fun → Sports: 820Personal Items → Electronics: 800Expense → Miscellaneous: 500Personal Items → Pet: 470Fun → Events: 200Expense: 32,090Expense: 32,090Housing: 13,600Housing: 13,600Food: 7,100Food: 7,100Personal Items: 6,320Personal Items: 6,320Clothing etc: 1,400Clothing etc: 1,400Furniture: 1,000Furniture: 1,000Subscriptions: 900Subscriptions: 900Personal Care: 900Personal Care: 900Gifts: 850Gifts: 850Electronics: 800Electronics: 800Pet: 470Pet: 470Vacation: 2,050Vacation: 2,050Fun: 3,070Fun: 3,070Sports: 820Sports: 820Events: 200Events: 200Miscellaneous: 500Miscellaneous: 500Transportation: 1,500Transportation: 1,500Restaurants and Bars: 1,800Restaurants and Bars: 1,800Fastfood: 2,200Fastfood: 2,200Groceries: 3,100Groceries: 3,100Savings: 32,410Savings: 32,410

The diagram depicts our average monthly expenses and savings over the past 12 months post-tax. This gives us valuable information in two areas.

  1. What is our expenses/savings distribution
  2. Which categories are good targets for lowering expenses/increasing savings

We observe that the distribution of money going to expenses/savings is roughly 50%. We actually think that is fair and doesn’t cause any red flags. However, as we delve deeper into the expenses, two categories catch our attention, “Housing” and “Food”. We want to bring these two expenses down.

For the housing expense, we moved in together during the last 12 months and are in the middle of moving again, this time to Copenhagen. Therefore, we currently have both, rent for two separate places and moving costs, factored in. Going forward, we are planning on going from living on our own, to living with roommates to help keep housing costs low when we move to Copenhagen.

For the food category, we both like to indulge ourselves from time to time. Mr. Denmark likes ordering burgers and Ms. Canada likes going out for drinks with friends often. We have already started changing some habits to decrease how much we order fast food and being more aware of what we spend at restaurants and bars, which should also help. Also those numbers are again, for two people living alone, and we aim to bring our grocery bill down with some meal planning.

That gives us two scenarios, we either stay with our current budget or make said adjustments. If we make adjustments, we think we can save 4000 kr on housing and 3000 kr on food. As we like round numbers, that would put the monthly expenses down to 25,000 kr and the savings up to 39,000 kr. Shifting the distribution to 40% expenses, 60% savings, which sounds very good to us.

We think we can make these adjustments, for a limited time, to boost savings. However, we don’t see ourselves living with roommates forever and would also like a little more wiggle room to go to nice restaurants. Therefore, long term, we will go with the 28,000 kr in expenses per month.

Calculating the goal

Going by the expenses and savings discussed above, t0 become truly financially independent, all our expenses have to be covered. 28,000 kr a month means 336,000 kr per year.

Most of our investments are in the form of stocks. Even though it is impossible to know how the stock-market is going to be in the coming years, for the sake of simplicity, we will go with a 6 % return on investments. As well, we include the Danish tax of 42% on capital gains in our calculations. With these numbers we can calculate how much money (x) we need to have invested in stocks to cover the yearly expenses.

We should note that the tax on gains in Denmark is not simply 42%. Tax laws are never so simple. In Denmark, however, we have multiple tax rates, depending on how and where your money is invested. Here are the tax considerations as of 2021 for investments in Denmark.

  1. Aktiesparekonto – A stock savings account where you are allowed to have up to 102.300 kr in deposit (as of 2021). The returns of investment has a 17 % tax rate. But what you can invest in is limited to the positive list provided by Skat.
  2. Returns under 56.500 kr per year are taxed at 27%. If you are a married couple, this means you have a cap of 113.000 kr per year for this tax rate.
  3. All returns over 56.600 kr are taxed at a gaping 42%!

For the sake of simplicity in this article, and since a lot of things may not go according to plan, we go with the heavy tax rate of 42%. That being said, it is always important to look for special accounts or programs in your own country to minimize taxes and fees paid on investments!

Note, that we don’t plan on withdrawing from the investment like normal retirement calculators do using the 4% rule. We don’t plan on retiring any time soon and if we were to use to interest to live on, it would be temporary (e.g. to take time to start a business or for extra time off if we were to have children), so for us this makes the most sense.

    \[ x*0.06*(1-0.42) = 336000 \]

By isolating x we get:

    \[ x = \frac{336000}{0.06*(1-0.42)} = 9655172\\ \]

That means we need to save up 9.7 million kr for both of us to become financially independent. That is a large number, and definitely the goal long term. For a start, we aim to cover expenses for one of us, meaning half of the 9.7 million kr. If we round that gives us 5 million kr.

For us, it is a good first goal. We aim to reach that in just five years time. Beyond that, who knows what the future holds? But 5 million kr gives us the opportunity to have one person take some time off, in order to pursue other interests or just in general, gives us a lot more financial freedom. Freedom, in case we are off work or need to work part time for some time.

Is this even possible?

So the question becomes, can we do it? Not from scratch, that would be impossible. With our jobs it would be over 100% of our pay check. We are starting in a good place as we have almost 2 million already.

We look at formulas for three scenarios

  1. Monthly investment with zero returns
  2. Monthly investment with annual returns
  3. Monthly investment with annual returns- tax

Before we show the formulas, let’s get some variables defined:

  • t is the time in years
  • b is the initial deposit
  • a is the monthly investment
  • r is the annual investment returns rate
  • g is the tax rate of the investment returns
  • s is the savings function

For the first scenario, it is a matter of holding a savings account without investing, assuming 0% interest rate. In Denmark, many places, the interest rate is actually negative if you hold over 100.000 kr!

That being said, here is the function:

(1)   \begin{equation*} s(t) = b+a*12*t \end{equation*}

No rocket science there, it is just a matter of multiplication

For the second scenario, we got a little help from The Calculator Site in order to take into account the rule of compounding in addition to monthly investments. For the sake of simplicity. We have adjusted the formulas to just be returns off investments once a year.

With adjustments, the formula then becomes:

(2)   \begin{equation*} s(t) = b*(1+r)^t+a*12*\frac{(1+r)^t-1}{r} \end{equation*}

To understand the formula, the first part deals with the returns of your initial deposit. The second part deals with the returns of your monthly investment.

For the third scenario, we have altered the previous formula a little bit, to reflect tax off of the returns of investment. The formula thus becomes:

(3)   \begin{equation*} s(t,g) = b*(1+r*(1-g))^t+a*12*\frac{(1+r*(1-g))^t-1}{r*(1-g)} \end{equation*}

With all of this discussed, we can use the savings calculator to get an estimate of our savings amount over time.

Looking at the graph, some things become apparent.

The rule of compounding does not come into play in the short-term, but over time, with more compounding periods, it begins to matter. Admittedly, our returns rate of 6% might be a bit conservative. We are not investment experts, if that was the case, then delving into more details into shorter compounding periods would be relevant. For 5 years time, we see almost a one million kr difference between 0 % returns and 6 % return of investment, which is definitely helpful. However, in the short term, saving more is more important than investing better.

We can also observe that without considering tax, if everything goes according to plan, we should reach our goal. However, when we take the tax into account, we will be 120.000 kr short. A lot can change in 5 years time, maybe our salary increases, maybe we beat our current savings goals, maybe some of the assumptions we made in this article are completely off. Who knows. But to make our goal, we need to revisit the plan every year and reassess the feasibility.

Overall, it will be tight for us to reach our goal, but it wouldn’t be interesting if it wasn’t tough, right?

If we pull it off we will be over halfway to our final goal of 9.7 million kr. We might not get there, but we sure will try. No matter what happens, the money we save will be helpful for our future endeavours.

The passive income and money on its own is pretty nice. We could buy a house without a mortgage, we could take half a year off work to start our own business, it opens up a multitude of possibilities.

Playing with FIRE

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What is FIRE? 

FIRE stands for Financial Independence, Retire Early. Your first step towards FIRE is acknowledging that retirement is not an age. The age of retirement is a myth. That is just when you qualify for state pension. Retirement is possible when your passive income can pay for your lifestyle; meaning your savings gives you enough income per year to live off of. This can be like a normal pension where you both live off the interest and withdraw approximately 4% per year (Read more about the 4% rule here if you want). OR you can be really ambitious and try to get enough passive income to pay for your lifestyle without digging into the actual investment.

Given that we have no plans of retiring early, as we are workaholics, our focus is on building a passive income, in order to make life less stressful and less cumbersome.

There are many people around the world on the journey to FIRE. And for everyone it means different goals and lifestyle changes. For us, we are aiming for our passive income to pay for our living expenses.

We consider two factors:

  1. The amount you have invested and other forms of passive income (e.g. rental-income, interest, dividends).
  2. Living expenses cost. Decrease your expenses and you will reach your goal faster.

For amount invested, there is only so much you can do. You can get a better paying job (maybe) or start a side hustle. Related posts will be put under the category “money hacks”

For living expenses there is A LOT more you can do. By decreasing living expenses, you not only save more, but you can also further increase your passive-income. So, it’s really a win-win. Related posts will be put under the category “Budgeting”

A potential third factor is investing in yourself. That is, investing time and money in education, as this can lead to getting a better paying job or a more fulfilling job (equally important). For us, we are fortunate to be happy in our chosen fields of study, so for us it is a matter of reading and staying up-to-date with new developments.

There are many blogs out there if you want to know more about what FIRE is and why people do it. But If there are so many blogs and people who have tried this FIRE thing, why are we writing this one?

When we were looking, we found most money saving tips and books on the subject are from people living in North America. Ms Canada, being from North America, can understand how these people achieved their goal. She can see how their tips on saving money work. However, often she can’t see these suggestions translating to Denmark. For example:

Some top tips for saving money in North Amercia:
Big changes
  • Get rid of your car
  • Pay off credit card debt
Smaller changes
  • Stop with to go coffee
  • Buy in bulk

While these are valid tips to save money, for many Danes, these wouldn’t apply. For example geting rid of your car would save a lot of money, in gas, insurance and maintenance. However, a lot of Danes, especially those under 30, don’t have cars.  There is probably only one country that loves cycling to work more than Denmark and that is the Netherlands.  Or stop with the to go coffee, again it is a perfectly good money saving tip but there isn’t a Starbucks on every corner in Denmark like there is in North America.

We are guilty of falling into the mentality of looking at people who have completed their FIRE journey and thinking, “Ah but they started early”, “they didn’t have to pay for university”, “they have a really good job”, “their parents helped them start a business”. Everyone has a different situation but the fact is, it’s no excuse for you not to start. Everyone can do something to get to retirement early, you just need to find your own path. So what if you can’t get to 5 million kr? What about 1 million? At a 6% return, that is 60,000 kr a year in income. What could you do with that extra income?

We are almost 30. We admittedly have some savings to get us started. It is still a long journey to the 5 million. We are thinking about kids at some point in the not so distant future. We are normal people. But we believe we can get there. 

Breaking free of the hamster wheel

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Hi Everyone,

We are Mr. Denmark and Ms. Canada and we are starting this blog to document our journey to financial independence. Meaning to break out of the eternal hamster wheel, as the title of this blog suggests.

What is the hamster wheel? Working at least 40 hours a week, for 40 years, until you go on pension around the age of 67.

The purpose of this blog is to share our experience, good and bad on this challenging journey.

As for us, we are a couple about to turn 30, who love to nerd out about data and personal finances. Ms. Canada worked in a bank for five years in Ontario while studying. Four years ago in 2017, she moved to Denmark to follow her research career in science. Mr. Denmark is a proper Northern Jutlander that first started making money on the side at the age of seven. He loves to mould data both at work and in his spare time.

Keen observers may have noticed that Mr. Denmark and Ms. Canada are not our real names. They are Søren and Emma, it’s not a secret. But we are using the pseudonyms in the posts for two reasons. First, a very practical reason. We have jobs and if seeking new employment we don’t want this being the first thing that pops up, we want it to be our work. Second, given that we are from different backgrounds, we often have very different viewpoints and experiences when it comes to lifestyle and money. We hope to use these different experiences and bring the best of both world to reaching our goals. And we hope that by using these pseudonyms it is a bit easier for others to recognize where our viewpoints are coming from when reading a post.

Alright, we have mentioned we want financial independence, but let’s make a more concrete goal:

We want to have built 5 million kroner in capital in five years.

Now we have written it down, there is no turning back!

The plan is to give some budgeting tips, talk about monthly challenges we have done, provides some informational finance calculators and other thoughts during this journey.

Thanks for visiting our page and we hope you find something you like

– Mr. Denmark and Ms. Canada